The JFK Assassination : THE CURTIN ROD STORY, Lee Harvey Oswald's suspicious activates Thursday night and Friday Morning Nov 21 - 22:

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On the same day that Lee Oswald rented the Beckley room, Ruth Paine after a suggestion of a neighbor, called the Texas School Book Depository and was told that there was a job opening. Oswald had an interview there the next day and was hired.

Thursday - November 21st ( The day before the assassination ):
That Thursday afternoon Lee Oswald would depart form custom and ask Wesley Frazier a fellow coworker at the Texas School Book Depository for a ride to visit his wife and children at Ruth Paine’s house in the suburb of Irving. The first time Lee had made such a request other then a Friday. He told Frazier He wanted to pick up some curtain rods.

< Warren Report > Wesley Frazier:
Mr. BALL. You say you came up, you mean you came up from Huntsville?
Mr. FRAZIER. That is right; yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. That was in September 1963?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; it was.
Mr. BALL. Looking for a job around Dallas?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to live with your sister at that time?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; I did.
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Mr. BALL. When did you first hear of Lee Harvey Oswald, first hear the name?
Mr. FRAZIER. I first heard, I never really did know his name, we just called him Lee around there. But the first time I ever saw him was the first day he come to work.
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Mr. BALL. Had your sister told you that this fellow Lee was coming to work?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes; she did. She said one afternoon when I went home she told me she found out from one of the neighbors there he came over for that interview with Mr. Truly and Mr. Truly had hired him.
Mr. BALL. You heard that from your sister?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Before you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER. Right, before I saw him.
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Mr. FRAZIER. It could have been because it was sometime in October because I remember I went to work there on the 13th and I had been working there, 4 or 5 weeks and then he come there
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Mr. BALL. Did he ride home with you in your car on weekends?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. BALL. On Friday nights.
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Mr. FRAZIER. Right.
Mr. BALL. From that time until November 22, did he ride home with you every weekend?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; he did every weekend but one.
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Mr. BALL. And why did--did he tell you why he wasn't going to ride home that weekend?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, he did. He said he was working on his driving license and he was going to go take a driving test.
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Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. When he rode with me, I say he always brought lunch except that one day on November 22 he didn't bring his lunch that day.
Mr. BALL. But every other day he brought a lunch?
Mr. FRAZIER. Right, when he rode with me.
Mr. BALL. Would he bring it in a paper sack or what kind of a container?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; like a little paper sack you get out of a grocery store, you have seen these little old sacks that you could buy, sandwich bag, sack.
Mr. BALL. Did you carry your lunch in a paper sack?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; I did
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Mr. BALL. I see.
Now, there was the one date that Oswald came to you and asked you to drive him back to Irving, it was not a Friday, was it?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; it wasn't.
Mr. BALL. It was on a Thursday.
Mr. FRAZIER. Right.
Mr. BALL. Was that the 21st of November?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Well, tell us about that.
Mr. FRAZIER. Well, I say, we were standing like I said at the four-headed table about half as large as this, not, quite half as large, but anyway I was standing there getting the orders in and he said, "Could I ride home with you this afternoon?"
And I said, "Sure. You know, like I told you, you can go home with me any time you want to, like I say anytime you want to go see your wife that is all right with me."
So automatically I knew it wasn't Friday, I come to think it wasn't Friday and I said, "Why are you going home today?"
And he says, "I am going home to get some curtain rods." He said, "You know, put in an apartment."
He wanted to hang up some curtains and I said, "Very well." And I never thought more about it and I had some invoices in my hands for some orders and I walked on off and started filling the orders
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Mr. BALL. And you dropped him off at the place where his wife was staying, did you?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir;***
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Mr. BALL. You know where the house is, don't you?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where Mrs. Paine lives?
Mr. FRAZIER. Right.
Mr. BALL. How far is that from your house?
Mr. FRAZIER. Like I say, it is just about half a block up the street.
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The arrival of Lee Harvey Oswald at the Paine home was a surprise because it was a Thursday.

I believe that Mrs. Paine has stated that she mentioned to Lee that the President was coming to Dallas, and that Lee showed no emotions one way or the other, he just said something in Russian ( yeah.)

Ruth Paine had thought that he had come to patch up a dispute they had when Marina had found out that Lee was staying in a boarding house in Dallas under an assumed name. So they did not get along very well that night.

Friday morning Lee Owald would rise make a cup of instant coffee leave $175.00 on Merina’s table. And later she would find His wedding ring in a Cup that Her mother had left her.

It would be a short walk to Wesley Frazier’s house. This morning, Wesley’s Mother would see Lee approach.

< Warren Report > Wesley Frazier ( continued ) :
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Mr. BALL. The next morning you had breakfast about what time?
Mr. FRAZIER. Between 7 and 7:15, that is the time I usually, I usually come to the breakfast table about 7.
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Mr. FRAZIER.*** I was just finishing my coffee there and my sister, you know, was working over there around, you know the sink there, and she was fixing my lunch so she was somewhere around there over on the cabinets fixing the cabinets and mother just happened to glance up and saw this man, you know, who was Lee looking in the window for me and she said, "Who is that?"
And I said, "That is Lee," ***
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Representative FORD. When he would go with you on Monday, on any Monday, was this the same procedure for getting to, getting in contact with you?
Mr. FRAZIER. You mean coming in there and looking through the window?
Representative FORD. Yes.
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; it wasn't. I say, that is the first time he had ever done that. I say. most times I would usually call him, you know, I was already out in the car fixing to go out the driveway there, and, you know, around to pick him up if he hadn't come down but most times, once in a while I picked him up at the house and another time he was already coming down the sidewalk to the house when I was fixing to pick him up and I usually picked him up around the corner there
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Mr. BALL. When you went out the back door where was Oswald?
Mr. FRAZIER. He was standing just a few feet there outside the back door there.
Mr. BALL. He wasn't in the car?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; he wasn't.
Mr. BALL. Was he near the car?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; he wasn't.
You see, always I keep my car parked outside the carport there, on the other side.
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Mr. BALL. All right.
When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER. Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that
Mr. BALL. What did the package look like?
Mr. FRAZIER. Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.
Mr. BALL. It was, what part of the back seat was it in?
Mr. FRAZIER. It was in his side over on his side in the far back.
Mr. BALL. How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up?
Mr. FRAZIER. I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat
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Mr. BALL. How wide would you say that would be?
Mr. FRAZIER. Oh, say, around 5 inches, something like that. 5, 6 inches or there. I don't--
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< END.>

The Length of this package according to these witnesses would become a serious problem for the Warren commission, ( More on this below. )

As Frazier and Lee Harvey Oswald drove to the Texas School Book Depository ( TSBD ), They briefly discussed children and the weather. After arriving near the TSBD Frazier briefly charged his battery. Then followed Lee to the TSBD.

< Warren Report > Wesley Frazier ( continued ) :
Mr. BALL. When you got to the parking lot who got out of the car first?
Mr. FRAZIER He did.
Mr. BALL. You didn't get out immediately then?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; I was sitting there,***
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Mr. BALL. Did you have your lunch beside you?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL. Did you notice whether or not Lee had a package that looked like a lunch package that morning?
Mr. FRAZIER. You know like I told you earlier, I say, he didn't take his lunch because I remember right when I got in the car I asked him where was his lunch and he said he was going to buy his lunch that day.
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Mr. FRAZIER. He got out of the car and he was wearing the jacket that has the big sleeves in them and he put the package that he had, you know, that he told me was curtain rods up under his arm, you know, and so he walked down behind the car and standing over there at the end of the cyclone fence waiting for me to get out of the car, and so quick as I cut the engine off and started out of the car, shut the door just as I was starting out just like getting out of the car, he started walking off and so I followed him in.***
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Mr. BALL. Did you usually walk up there together.
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; we did.
Mr. BALL. Is this the first time that he had ever walked ahead of you?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. BALL. You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.
Mr. BALL. And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER. The other part with his right hand.
Mr. BALL. Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER. Right.
Mr. BALL. He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER. Right, straight up and down.
< END.>

Frazier would also state that he saw Lee Oswald carry the Package "between his armpit and the cup of his hand."
This would make the package too short to have contained his dismantled rifle .

Mrs. Randle would state that the bag she saw Lee Oswald carrying was approximately 28 inches long. Witch would also make it to short to have contained Lee Oswald’s rifle dismantled. The bag found on the sixth floor of the TSBD was 38 inches long.

The length of the rifle dismantled was 34.8 inches long.

Mrs. Randle would say that the bag she saw Lee Oswald carrying "wasn’t that long, I mean it was folded down at the top as I told you. It definitely wasn’t that long."

Later a bag which was determined to have been made from material found in the TSBD and had a palm and index fingerprint from Lee Oswald on it. Was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

The last person to see Lee Harvy Oswald in the TSBD that Morning was one Charles Givens. A member of a floor laying crew working on the sixth floor that day. At approximately 11:45 AM they broke for lunch. And on the way down Givens saw Oswald on the fifth floor, Then remembered his cigarettes where in his coat pocked. Givens Went back up and saw Oswald on the sixth floor and ask him if he was going down for lunch. Lee replied no, but asked Givens to close the gate of the elevator when he got to the first floor.

Back at the TSBD around this time Lee was out side and questions fellow employees about the activities.

According to one of Oswald’s co-worker at the TSBD, Harold Norman, while he and other where gathering outside of the TSBD for the motorcade, he saw and spoke to Lee. And that Oswald asked what everybody was looking for, and what everybody was waiting on. When he was informed that they where waiting for the President to pass-by. Norman said that Oswald put his hands in his pockets laughed and walked away. Norman and another employee would be in a fifth floor window of the TSBD as the motorcade passed.

According to another TSBD employee James Jarman, Jr., he talk to Oswald that morning, Oswald asked him what were the people gathering around on the corner for. He told him that the President was supposed to pass that morning. Lee asked him if he knew witch way he was coming. Jarman told him probably down Main and turn on Houston then back again on Elm. Oswald’s reply was "Oh, I see."  

Oswald would later tell the Dallas Police that the only bag he had that morning, had his lunch in it.

< Warren Report > Wesley Frazier ( continued )
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Mr. BALL. Now when he went in the door you were about 50 feet behind him?
Mr. FRAZIER Right. The last time I saw him I was right in this area coming across these railroad tracks and I just happened to glance up and see him going through the door there and shut the door.
Mr. BALL. Let's see, the last time you saw him he was at the door?
Mr. FRAZIER. Right.
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Mr. BALL. Now, you knew that the President was going to pass that building sometime that morning, didn't you?
Mr. FRAZIER. Well, I heard he would.
Mr. BALL. Did you talk to some of the men around there about it?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever talk to Oswald about that?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; I didn't
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Mr. BALL. Were you near the steps?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; I was, I was standing about, I believe, one step down from the top there.
Mr. BALL. One step down from the top of the steps?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; standing there by the rail.
Mr. BALL. By steps we are talking about the steps of the entrance to the Building?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.
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Mr. FRAZIER. Well, I stood there until the parade come by.
Mr. BALL. Did you see the President go by?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear anything?
Mr. FRAZIER. Well, I say, just right after he went by he hadn't hardly got by, I heard a sound and if you have ever been around motorcycles you know how they backfire, and so I thought one of them motorcycles backfired because right before his car came down, now there were several of these motorcycle policemen, and they took off down toward the underpass down there, and so I thought, you know, that one of them motorcycles backfired, but it wasn't just a few seconds that, you know, I heard two more of the same type of, you know, sounds, and by that time people was running everywhere, and falling down and screaming, and naturally then I knew something was wrong, and so I come to the conclusion somebody else, somebody was shooting at somebody and I figured it was him.
Mr. BALL. You figured it was who?
Mr. FRAZIER. I figured it was somebody shooting at President Kennedy because people were running and hollering so I just stood still. I have always been taught when something like that happened or anywhere as far as that it is always best to stand still because if you run that makes you look guilty sure enough.
Mr. BALL. Now, then, did you have any impression at that time as to the direction from which the sound came?
Mr. FRAZIER. Well, to be frank with you I thought it come from down there, you know, where that underpass is. There is a series, quite a few number, of them railroad tracks running together and from where I was standing it sounded like it was coming from down the railroad tracks there.
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Mr. BALL. The dark bag is Commission Exhibit No. 142.
When you were shown this bag, do you recall whether or not you told the officers who showed you the bag--did you tell them whether you thought it was or was not about the same length as the bag you saw on the back seat?
Mr. FRAZIER. I told them that as far as the length there, I told them that was entirely too long.
< END.>

YES, LATER LEE OSWALD WOULD CLAIM THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENED!

AND I AM PRINTING IT HERE, FROM WHERE IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THE LEE HARVEY OSWALD, DALLAS POLICE INTERROGATION AND INTERVIEW SECTION.

BECAUSE A LOT OF WARREN COMMISSION DEFENDERS BELIEVE THIS IS SOMEHOW ABSOLUTE PROOF OF OSWALD SOLE GILT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM ABOVE,  IT WAS JUST ANOTHER, OF THE MANY PROBLEMS FOR THE WARREN COMMISSION.


Mr. BELIN. Now, in the last paragraph on page 3, it says that when asked why he went to visit his wife on Thursday night, whereas he normally visited her on the weekends, and he said on that particular weekend there was going to be a party for children. They were having a house full of children and he didn't want to be around at such a time. And, therefore, he made the weekly visit on Thursday night?
Mr. HOLMES. That's right.
Mr. BELIN. Did anyone question him about curtain rods, that you remember?
Mr. HOLMES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What was that about curtain rods?
Mr. HOLMES. Asked him if he brought a sack out when he got in the car with this young fellow that hauled him and he said, "Yes."
"What was in the sack?"
"Well, my lunch."
"What size sack did you have?"
He said, "Oh, I don't know what size sack. You don't always get a sack that fits your sandwiches. It might be a big sack."
"Was it a long sack?''
"Well, it could have been"
"What did you do with it?"
"Carried it in my lap."
"You didn't put it over in the back seat?"
"No." He said he wouldn't have done that.
"Well, someone said the fellow that hauled you said you had a long package which you said was curtain rods you were taking to somebody at work and you laid it over on the back seat."
He said, "Well, they was just mistaken. That must have been some other time he picked me up."
That is all he said about it.
Mr. BELIN. Were there any other questions asked about curtain rods.
Mr. HOLMES. I don't recall.
Mr. BELIN. All right, I turn to the top of page 4, which is the next paragraph, and I see that you have this recorded in your memorandum. You have this all recorded here except you don't mention the sentence about the curtain rods?
Mr. HOLMES. So that has been elaborated on in that paragraph.
Mr. BELIN. All right, anything else you care to elaborate on that first paragraph on page 4?
Mr. HOLMES. I believe not.
Mr. BELIN. All right, the second paragraph on page 4 pertaining to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting. Would you care to elaborate on that?
Mr. HOLMES. I believe it is just about as I have stated. No elaboration.
Mr. BELIN. Then the third paragraph on page 4 was about an A. J. Hidell identification card. Would you care to read that and see if there is anything on that?
Mr. HOLMES. I believe not.
Mr. BELIN. By the way, where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting?

(note* NO ONE SEEN OSWALD COMING DOWN ANY STAIRS, AND THIS WAS APROXMENLEY NINETY SECONDS AFTER THE SHOTS.)

Mr. HOLMES. He said it was in the vestibule.
Mr. BELIN. He said he was in the vestibule?
Mr. HOLMES. Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part.
Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.
Mr. BELIN. Did he say anything about a Coca Cola or anything like that, if you remember?
Mr. HOLMES. Seems like he said he was drinking a Coca Cola, standing there by the Coca Cola machine drinking a Coca Cola.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else?
Mr. HOLMES. Nothing more than what I have already told you on it.

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